Lost Canvas chapter 70

Shiryu · Lost Canvas chapter 70

Credits to Goldsaint85 for finding these ^^

The ghost of Manigoldo appears to Sion, giving him a message for Hakurei. In the meantime, Hypnos commands two new gods: Oneiros, god of the dreams, and Ikeros, god of illusions (sounds like a good foe for Gemini...).

Shaina

I'm glad that Manigoldo appeared at least as ghost still in LC70. ^_^

I really hope he'll return once in a while to pester Tenma just as Aiolos appeared in the classic series once in a while ^_^

Shiryu

It's interesting that, in proper tradition from Greek mythology, he appears looking just like when he died, without a leg and in a damaged gold cloth, despite the cloth itself being gone by now.
Excluding dreams/memories, I don't think we'll see him again, unless some scenes where all the spirits of the fallen gold saints appear to support Tenma, but it was nice to see him going with a smile.

Shaina

Well, on the other hand, Aiolos appeared pretty hale again when he showed up as ghost - same with the other Goldies in the Hades chapter.

Shiryu

Uhm, perhaps this is what you get if you upset Thanatos then... destroyed even in soul

In fact, now all the dead golds are ending up in Cocytos, to spend eternity (or at least 243 years) in the ice hell

Shaina

*takes out hammer and chisel* Not if I can help it! *digs out Manigoldo*

Shiryu

*grin*
After all, you are the Second Principle of the Universe and can even withstand Shaka's eyes (I remember that old interview ^^)

Shaina

Exactly. And he had beautiful eyes (Shaka, I mean). *blush* Errr... I have more important things to do now! *continues hammering at the ice of the Cocytus*

Shaina

By the way - I noticed here:

that Manigoldo is portrayed with both legs after all (albeit he wears his damaged Gold Cloth). The other pic obviously was a somewhat unlucky perspective. ^_^

Shiryu

Yep, I noticed it too. In the previous pic one leg is hidden behind the other, hence the confusion.

It's interesting that Hakurei is Sion's master. He is the Cancer or Ara saint, and yet he managed to teach Sion the Aries techniques?

Or perhaps Sion cape up with them on his own, and then taught some of them to Mu.

Shiryu

BTW Credits to Trevor:

Shaina

So, this I actually posted on SSF already, and I'm sorry it is a bit too complicated for me to formulate in Italian. But I wanted to mention it anyway ^_^

I still wonder about the Mushin (=Dream God) Oneiros and Genmu (=Illusion) Ikelos. Maybe Teshirogi left out the "god" kanji for Ikelos as she wanted to use binoms (words of two kanji) as titles?

And something else - I checked Kerényi's book on Greek Gods - apparently in the classical Greek sources only the "Oneiroi" were mentioned in Hesiod's Theogony (line 211) as the "brood of Hypnos", with "oneiroi" being a general term. There was no name given to them, even though Hesiod's genealogy of the Gods usually lists long rows of names. (And I checked the original Greek language text for the names - I can read Greek letters after all even though the vocabulary and grammar escapes me. In the German translation, the term "oneiroi" wasn't mentioned at all - there they only speak of "the dreams".)

I still have to check Ovid whether he elaborated on this (Ovid elaborated on some of the Greek myths in his "Metamorphoses"), but that would mean that the addition of names to the original "brood of Hypnos" would be a Roman thing, not a Greek one.

(And no, for stuff like that I don't rely on Wikipedia as one should better take things with a grain of salt there - I prefer to look up the original sources for that. If I don't find my (Latin language ^_^) copy of Ovid here, I shall hunt for a copy of the text online and check it there.)

Shiryu

Exactly, Oneroi is a group word for Morpheus, Icelus and another god, all sons of Hypnos. It's likely that Shiori got confused and hence called one of them Onerous (ie his title name) rather than by his real one. I wonder if it's Morpheus...
Also there is no "kami" for Icelus, and his armor looks more like that of a Specter than that of a God, but I suppose we'll have to see for that.

Shaina

By the way, I found the passage in Ovid's Metamorphoses:

(11,633)At pater e populo natorum mille suorum
(11,634)excitat artificem simulatoremque figurae
(11,635)Morphea: non illo quisquam sollertius alter
(11,636)exprimit incessus vultumque sonumque loquendi;
(11,637)adicit et vestes et consuetissima cuique
(11,638)verba; sed hic solos homines imitatur, at alter
(11,639)fit fera, fit volucris, fit longo corpore serpens:
(11,640)hunc Icelon superi, mortale Phobetora vulgus
(11,641)nominat; est etiam diversae tertius artis
(11,642)Phantasos: ille in humum saxumque undamque trabemque,
(11,643)quaeque vacant anima, fallaciter omnia transit;
(11,644)regibus hi ducibusque suos ostendere vultus
(11,645)nocte solent, populos alii plebemque pererrant.
(11,646)praeterit hos senior cunctisque e fratribus unum
(11,647)Morphea, qui peragat Thaumantidos edita, Somnus
(11,648)eligit et rursus molli languore solutus
(11,649)deposuitque caput stratoque recondidit alto.

So there you get Morpheus, Icelos and Phantasos which are named, although they belong to "thousands that were sired by the father" (interestingly, Hypnos was never mentioned by name there).

Shiryu

He is called Somnus, that should be it in latin.

PS, Ale will drop dead when he sees all this latin ^^

Shaina

Somnus! Baka no Shaina... Silly me just searched the text for "Hypnos"... I really should have read the text properly instead of mainly looking for Morpheus, Icelos and Phantasos. *points at line 11647*

Aledileo

Shaina

By the way, the fact that Morpheus and Phantasos are written with "ph" indicates that they should originally be Greek after all as that is not a typical character combination for Latin. Same goes for the -os in Phantasos and Icelos, which is the Greek form (Latinised it should have been written -us).

Shiryu

It's likely, after all most latin gods come from the pre-existing greek versions. I'm not certain about the -os element, I think you can find it latin names too (but it's been 8 years since I studied latin, so I could remember wrong).

Shaina

I just looked for an online declination table (I'd be too lazy too type up my grammar book XD).

http://javierguerrero.netfirms.com/LATIN%20DECLINATION%20TABLES.htm
There you see that two of the declinations do have the -us. The third declination does have some irregular forms, but I really can't remember I saw many proper nouns ending on -os there (I think there is "os" = "bone")

Here I found an entry that gives more examples - and apart from "os" I don't see any -os" there either: http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/34893

blackrose22

i wish these would be translated but oh well. thanks for posting the scans.