Who is the strongest Gold Saint?

Shiryu · Who is the strongest Gold Saint?

I'm not a big fan of topics about strenght comparison, but they always attracts people

Who is the strongest gold saint in your opinion? and in which order would you put them, from the strongest to the weakest?
Try to explain your reasoning

Last · Stronzest gold!

I start with the weakest for me:

Aldebaran: he's quite stronge, he have the seventh sense and a gold clot, but I think he's a bit under the other gold's level and is moves aren't operative like an Lithining Plasma or a Aurora Execution.

:arrow:Aphrodite: he is too much attached to is beautiful and he understimate the opponente. His moves are quite strong, but not at the same level of other strongest gold.

Milo: his move, Scarlet needle, is strong, but really slowly and a strong saint don't die with Antares he is at the same level of Aphrodite.

Shura: he is very strong, and his weapon, Excalibur, is operative and comfortable, but the other gold can skip out or broke them.

Deathmask: the Sekishiki Meikaiha can beat every saint except Shaka and Ikki.

Aiolos: we can judge well this saint because we didn't see the Sagittarius Saint fight with another one.

Camus: he is strong, but he can't reach the absolute zero, so he can't beat the other Golds.

Dohko: he have more experience and a fantastic move, he is one of the strongest.

Aioria: in the classic series he looks like a normal Gold, but in Episode G he reached the Dunamis and surpass the light velocity and his level his upper then other golds.

Mu: he have a perfect defence and very good attack, other a psychical power.

Saga: he have o double cosmo and a very strong moves, like the Another Dimension that can beat every saint

Shaka: he is the stronzest Gold, he have the eighth sense an unsuperable defense and very strong moves.

Finish (it's very hard write in English...)

Wyvern no Rhadamanthys

be happy last!!!!your english is pretty good!!!!i'll try to invite somebody else to this discussion,so maybe we will have more posts....
In my opinion the strongest is for sure shaka...he's the only one who can use the eighth sense so this is why he's stronger than other saints....
below him we can find Saga,Aioros,Dohko and Mu....which I consider to have the same strenght.then there are Aiolia,Camus and Shura(I'm only talking about classical series)and finally there are Aldebaran,Milo,Death Mask and Aphrodite.......They are too weak in relationship with Shaka or Saga....and furthermore i don't like their moves.Can you compare a scarlet needle with a Rikudo rinne????

Shiryu

It's not too bad, Last. There are a few grammar or spelling mistakes here and there, but the sense comes across

I'll start from the bottom

12th place is Scorpio Milo. I like him as a character, but 15 strikes are too many for an allegedly deadly technique. It's true he can cast them all together, but still I wonder about their ability to perforate strong Cloths like the Gold ones. In short, I think he would be the one having the hardest time to kill another Gold Saint.

11th place is Taurus Aldebaran. He is physically strong and all, but, from what we see in the series, not as much as the other Gold Saints. It's true that he holds back against Seiya and co, but in none of his battles he looks really dangerous or intimidating.

10th place is Pisces Aphrodite. His strongest asset are his many different types of roses. I don't think the (white)Piranan Rose would pierce a Gold Cloth, but his Red Bloody Rose is fairly difficult to fight without a good defense, and the Black One seems dangerous too. Basically he has 3 ok weapons, none of which are invincible but with a good combination of different powers. I also like the powers he shows in Episode G, against Ferro Cremisi.

The rest next time

Shaina

@Last

Your English is very good! Sorry, I haven't been here for a while, but I was very busy -_-'

BTW, why do you put DeathMask as 4th weakest Saint if you say that except for Shaka and Ikki no one can beat him? (And by the way, I agree that DeathMask just had the problem that his attack was never used properly - normally he just should send the soul of his opponent into the Yomotsu Hirasaka and simply decapitate the victim while unconscious. No way back then. ^_^

Shiryu

Next three

9th place has to be Cancer Deathmask. His powers are tricky to deal with, and extremely dangerous against physical enemies, but if he fights someone who can cross dimension he is virtually powerless. He lacks a direct attack. Also, his Meikaiha is easily deflected by Mu's Crystal Wall.

8th place is Acquarius Camus. He doesn't seem to have the absolute zero, which means that his attacks wouldn't work on a gold cloth or armor of equal power. He does however possess several techniques and a good defense.

7th place is Capricorn Shura. Episode G is what makes me put him above Camus. He only has one good technique (the Jumping Stone is pretty dull), but his determination and sense of justice make him burn his cosmo more and more against every enemy, which is always a big plus in Saint Seiya. Also Excalibur is a deadly weapon, probably capable of causing damage through a gold cloth, like when he fights Aiolos in the anime. On the minus side, he lacks a good defense.

Last · The fourth saint

Thanks to Shiryu and Wyvern for the compliment... I'll try to improve more my English!

@Shaina
What does mine BTW?
Anyhow I put Deathmask only fourth because he doesn't have a physical attack, and the Sekishiki Meikaiha , as like Shiryu ( the character) show, isn't every deadly and someone with the right motivating force can return in life.

Shiryu

BTW is "By The Way" (= comunque/ad ogni modo

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Last · By the way...

All right thanks

Shaina

@Last

Oh, Shiryu was faster

My point was that Shiryu could only return, because DM didn't destroy the unconscious body that was left in the temple. If he had done so, then Shiryu's soul wouldn't have had a vessel to return to. Thus if he used his ability properly, he would be almost impossible to counter. (Send soul into Yomotsu Hirasaka, victim in the real world falls unconscious, then simply destroy the unconscious body (decapitation would suffice nicely and fit his image) and so make it impossible for the separated soul to return - final death for the victim without a chance to counter.)

Last · In the Hades mouth the Death mask dead

But Deathmask have the same problem of Aphrodite, he understimate his opponent, taking his stand on the fact that he is a gold. But in the Hades mouth he isn't invincible, how Shiryu show.

Wyvern no Rhadamanthys

4 last-you always forget the "s" at the end of the third person verb......

be careful....
DM is a very strong saint but let's analyze the situation:he was beaten by shiryu....but only because athena took him off his gold cloth otherwise the dragon saint would never have beaten him!!!!!
furthermore his sekishiki meikaiha can't work with Shaka who can cross worlds and dimensions.....Saga(for the same reason) and Mu who defeat that move with his crystal wall!!!!IMO he hasn't got a "physical" move just like the lightning plasma or the great horn or excalibur so he's weaker than other saints who can face every kind of enemy

Last · The future of third persons

D'oh it's true! I'll be more carefull in the future!

Shaina

Actually I doubt that the revived Gold Saints in their Surplices were as strong as they were when they were alive and wearing their Gold Cloths. Thus I don't think one can properly compare their battles with the still alive Gold Saints. Somehow I doubt that either Shaka would have had it so "easy" against Saga, Shura and Camus if they hadn't had just a borrowed life, and the same goes for Aphrodite and DeathMask against Mu.

If you remember that originally it was shown that Aiolia and Shaka were equally strong (when Shaka challenged Aiolia before the Pope), and I can't see Aiolia being able to take on Saga, Shura and Camus together, if they were at their normal power level.

Aledileo

blackrose22

i have to agree with you on that shaina. the revived goldies did seem low on power than when they were alive. it would be awsome to see them fight for real at full power.

Wyvern no Rhadamanthys

of course they are weaker than before......but do you think that a sekishiki meikaiha could destroy the crystal wall????

Shiryu

I don't think they are weaker at all, otherwise their Athena Exclamation would have been weaker than the one created by Aiolia, Milo and Mu. Instead, their combined cosmos have exactly the same strenght (which is why Shiryu or all the bronze need to join in and tip the balance of power).

Having the Surplice makes them weaker only as in more vulnerable, which is an important factor (let's think to how things change when Deathmask loses his Gold Cloth during his fight against Shiryu), but their cosmos should have more or less their normal level.

As for Aiolia vs Shaka, Aiolia's Lightning Bolt (his strongest attack prior to Episode G) is equal to Shaka's Ohm, which is his weakest technique ^^ In fact, when the two attacks clash, both of them are pushed backwards.
That's probably an understimation for Leo, but I doubt he could win against Shaka, Episode G notwithstanding

Wyvern no Rhadamanthys

i totally agree with you shiryu.......DM is undoubtedly weaker than shaka mu or saga.....

Aledileo

Last · The coolest vs the Barbie

It's a physical science rule. The coolest (Ioria) wins ever, while the less cool (Barbie) , although he is more strong then the opponent, has to loose.

Wyvern no Rhadamanthys

but the heroic aioria could beat the heroic shaka seen in the hades chapter???

Last · Dipendation factor

It depends. If Ioria has a more stronge motivation than Shaka yes, given that in Saint Seiya the most important factors in the battle are the cloth and more imposrtant the motivation or the help of a goddes.

Aledileo

Well, actually, I don't think Aioria can win Shaka, but I even don't think the opposite! In my opinion a fight between two Gold Saints can only end in a "thousand days war" or with the destruction of them! The other differences are due to the plot (such as Mu winning again TWO Gold Saints..exc).

Shiryu

So you think that Aiolia couldn't beat Pisces for example? ^^

Shiryu

Next three positions

6th place is Leo Aioria. Strong, brave and generous, but slightly thick and lacking strategy, especially in defense. Also all of his attacks are very physical, so he could have problems against the more mystical Gold Saints.
Ale-induced edit: This is Aioria sans Photon Burst. With it, he would be 4th or 3rd

5th place is Aries Mu. He just doesn't fight enough to have a good, full understanding of his skills. Telepathy, telekinesis and teletransport are all very useful tricks, and he has a very strong defense, but be it plot or what have you, Saga makes short work of him.

4th place Now it get's tricky. I go for Sagittarius Aioros. He is probably much stronger than this, but we never really see him fight in the main series, and I don't know if his arrow is more or less powerful than all the Libra weapons. So he is just off the podium here.

Top three next time

Shiryu

And now the top 3

3rd place is Libra Doko. For one thing, he is extremely wise and knows everything about everyone. Then he has a very strong technique, powerful enough to break through Sion's Crystal Wall even in his old age. Finally he has a vast array of weapons, and even if he probably can't use them in private battles, the shields are a great defense. He only lacks spiritual techniques.

2nd place is Gemini Saga. Extremely powerful cosmo, destructive attack with his Galaxian Explosion, capable of depriving an enemy of the five senses (but not to the same extent as Shaka), and to open dimensional rifts. He is also a very capable leader, and one of the smartest characters in the series, as seen especially in Episode G, where he double crosses basically everyone. His only weakness is that he lacks a proper defensive technique.

And finally, for 1st place I put Virgo Shaka. He defeats Saga in the Hades arc, showing that he can defend himself from the Galaxian Explosion using the Khan and that no-one is a match for the Tembu Horin. And besides he is cool

blackrose22

not only that but the only thing that ends up killing him is the athena exclamation. so i agree that he is probably the strongest of the gold saints.

Hynata

Also for me Shaka is the strongest one.
After him I think there may be only Saga and Douko.
Anyway guys don't forget the great Sion, please!

Wyvern no Rhadamanthys

totally agree with shiryu!!!!!perfect chart(if in this cxase we can talk about charts)

Shiryu

Chart is a bit unusual but fine I think

tenkaizen

mu is the strongest gold saint..the taizen said...

Goldsaint85

Shiryu

Actually, I asked a friend of Micheal here, Allan, and he confirmed that the Taizen doesn't say that ^^

Goldsaint85

He is not the only one

Frey di Tarantula

tenkaizen

Frey di Tarantula

tenkaizen

not "one the most" but "the most".

Frey di Tarantula

tenkaizen

noooooooo
the last translation by ss.it from japanese (not portoguese)say..mu is the most..

Frey di Tarantula

tenkaizen

that refers to the veil of mystery because no one has ever seen combat

michaelserra

Well… I also do not trust our translation. Everything because a copyholder of a famous site for here (but that he is a horror in SS knowledge) walked making shit for there. At last… But I believe that in Japanese only it says something as "one of strongest".

tenkaizen

shiryu ask to starcomics to translate the taizen

Shiryu

tenkaizen

then the new translation by ss.it is wrong....

Frey di Tarantula

Anyway, I think the debate is more than open. The Taizen seems to suggest that Virgo Shaka is incredibly powerful even compared to other Golds. The introduction to the Hades part of anime though, describes Gemini Saga as the "Saikyo Gorudo Seinto", meaning, more or less, the most powerful Gold Saint.

But of course I think they were both compared to the LIVING Gold Saints^^

Aiolos is superior class: he's got angel wings (cool), he managed to smuggle a powerful weapon hiding it in a place that still remains unknown (super cool), and moreover he's the one who gets to wear the cool bandana

Shiryu

That's more like a Rambo-styled hairband

Cancer Manigold

Finally, I known it! Aries Mu is one of the strongest, but not the strongest!

I think Gemini Saga and his brother Kanon are the strongest because they have all kind of power:
- pshical, with his Galaxian Explosion, which is one of most destructive techniques;
- dimensional, with his Another Dimension, from which few can escape;
- mental, with his GenrouMaouken, what it cannot be stopped.

Besides, they are the GenmaKen, able to get away the senses!

tenkaizen

wait, wait the real translation...

Frey di Tarantula

tenkaizen

even if it were one of the strongest does not mean that mu is less than shaka and kanon, remember that the psychokinesis is power higher

tenkaizen

griffith says

the term used is saikyou, which means more strong ... but the phrase is somewhat ambiguous ... but from how the words are arranged, I believe their wishes "acclaimed as the most strong among the knights", except then resize two words after dicedo that "however, its true powers are unknown"

Frey di Tarantula

Shiryu

Perhaps before saikyo, there is something meaning "one of the" ^^
Besides, it's also more in line with the rest of the Taizen, which doesn't give absolute answers (Mu is one of the strongest, Shaka has the most powerful cosmo, Saga is one of the most capable gold saints and so on).

Except for that,we all pretty much agree that Mu is really powerful.

Frey di Tarantula

Well, of course he's one of the strongest - he's got long hair

No, really... Usually in Saint Seiya the most powerful fighters of every god have got long hair. Shaka, Saga and Mu for the Gold Saints, Kanon for the Marines, Siegfried for the God Warriors, two out of three Judges for Hades.

It's kinda the opposite comception as in Hokuto no Ken, where the most skilled fighters of every school have usually got short hair (Kenshiro, Raoul, Souther, Falco and Kayo).

...

...And no, I don't think it's intentional. Just a little coincidence, or maybe nothing at all^^

pancho · killing her softly (with your pillow)

I still think that Gemini (Saga, Kanon, no matter who) has to be no.1 since he's the only one able to kill Saori (plus the Pope). Shaka, Aiolos, Dohko, Sion and Mu are so close, but the evil side rules

Frey di Tarantula · Re: killing her softly (with your pillow)

Shiryu

You have to reconsider your concepts of good and right

Virgo Shaka is always right. If the universe says opposite, the universe is wrong

Frey di Tarantula

Shiryu

If one is right, is right

Who is the strongest Gold Saint?

Stronzest gold!

The fourth saint

By the way...

In the Hades mouth the Death mask dead

The future of third persons

The coolest vs the Barbie

Dipendation factor

killing her softly (with your pillow)

Re: killing her softly (with your pillow)