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I didn’t understand exactly what you added from the previuos 2nd version... maybe the pictures from Next Dimension, don’t you?
By the way, since I don’t know Japanese, does really mr Kurumada state ND is canonical in that advise?
Of course it is, but here in Italy many people still don’t think so, they tend to ignore it, so I could refute them.
For the history I added the Tenkai Hen and Overture inside info, so that's definitely new but many new stuff is added to each section so if you are willing to take the time to read, you'll definitely find out new info to everything.
As for the ND thing, I understand why some fans would say that. Some speculate it is a marketing scheme for Champion to say it is Canon to but if we do see Chronos in ND in coming issues, even for a brief while, it is going beyond the original Saint Seiya. _________________ Have you ever felt the Cosmo of Zeus?
English: http://members.tripod.com/~PhilipHo/Zeus-E.html
Japanese: http://members.tripod.com/~PhilipHo/Zeus-J.html
For the history I added the Tenkai Hen and Overture inside info, so that's definitely new but many new stuff is added to each section so if you are willing to take the time to read, you'll definitely find out new info to everything.
Of course I’ve read each version, but 2nd and 3rd were so close in time after having read the last one I didn’t realize exactly what has changed
Anyway, infos about Kurumada’s real idea about Overture were amazing, I wonder they’ve followed Kuru’s suggestions. Tag team battle 2vs2 sounds great!
Where did you take these infomatios from? I remember I’ve already read in a website the original idea on showing Teseus and the angels on a flying chariot...
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As for the ND thing, I understand why some fans would say that. Some speculate it is a marketing scheme for Champion to say it is Canon to but if we do see Chronos in ND in coming issues, even for a brief while, it is going beyond the original Saint Seiya.
There will be surely more important reasons Kurumada paused these months, but I can’t exclude they wanted to focus people attention on epG Cronos battle in the course of pubblication before showing Kurumada’s one.
It goes without saying (imho) they don’t having anythig to each other, last chapter of ND make us realize Kurumada’ll follow the idea he wrote 20years ago in SS History(hypermyth), a protogod Chronos born before the big bang.
It’s not such a unsoluble problem of continuity, anyway, since in Greek mitology Chronos,god of time, and Cronos,the titan, were distinguished people, the Romans mixed them.
What do you think about?
For the history I added the Tenkai Hen and
Where did you take these infomatios from? I remember I’ve already read in a website the original idea on showing Teseus and the angels on a flying chariot...
The info is from Overture Pamphlet and DVD booklet and the Kuru's manager statement that was posted on Kuru's website.
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There will be surely more important reasons Kurumada paused these months, but I can’t exclude they wanted to focus people attention on epG Cronos battle in the course of pubblication before showing Kurumada’s one.
It goes without saying (imho) they don’t having anythig to each other, last chapter of ND make us realize Kurumada’ll follow the idea he wrote 20years ago in SS History(hypermyth), a protogod Chronos born before the big bang.
It’s not such a unsoluble problem of continuity, anyway, since in Greek mitology Chronos,god of time, and Cronos,the titan, were distinguished people, the Romans mixed them.
What do you think about?
I think Kuru will ignore the events of Ep. G and do his own thing with Chronos. I think you will find out a lot when he finally draws Zeus and the secrets he reveals about Chronos and the *REAL* hypermyth but how much time we have to wait for us to see that is anyone's guess. _________________ Have you ever felt the Cosmo of Zeus?
English: http://members.tripod.com/~PhilipHo/Zeus-E.html
Japanese: http://members.tripod.com/~PhilipHo/Zeus-J.html
I see.
Honestly I don’t think Kurumada will take in consideration any spinoff for his next works.
Actually imho EpisodeG doesn’t been fitting the original manga since a very long time, Mr Okada looks like he never attemps The Great Holy War History(and Gigantomachia). I can’t justify the 52 bronze clothes or the concept of Dunamis instead of 9th sense, etc
In any case I still think there are 2 different gods named Cronos, one is the titan, one the proto-entity Kurumada talks about in Cosmo Special and Next Dimension.
I know how you’ve translated this paragraph, but I’d like to show you the different interpretation given by the Spanish people of SS Yours Ever
Of course they pubblished this translation a lot of time before the last chapter of ND, so we can’t have doubts about them
They mentioned 2 different persons; after telling the origin of this mysterious Chronos coming from the universe before Big Bang Kurmada warn us not to misunderstand he(it?) with Cronos, the titan father of Zeus.
So the distinction I’ve told in my previous post might be suggested by Kurumada himself.
I don’t know Japanese, so can’t say the Spanish translation could be correct or absolutely could’t. I’d like to know your opinion, now you know.
Thank you very much!
I see.
Honestly I don’t think Kurumada will take in consideration any spinoff for his next works.
Actually imho EpisodeG doesn’t been fitting the original manga since a very long time, Mr Okada looks like he never attemps The Great Holy War History(and Gigantomachia). I can’t justify the 52 bronze clothes or the concept of Dunamis instead of 9th sense, etc
Yer, I agree. Though in defense of G. I think Megumu there is trying to play the secret card there. The 4 Mysterious Cloths are secrets amongst secrets so Saints would not tell secrets to his enemy.
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I know how you’ve translated this paragraph, but I’d like to show you the different interpretation given by the Spanish people of SS Yours Ever
Of course they pubblished this translation a lot of time before the last chapter of ND, so we can’t have doubts about them
They mentioned 2 different persons; after telling the origin of this mysterious Chronos coming from the universe before Big Bang Kurmada warn us not to misunderstand he(it?) with Cronos, the titan father of Zeus.
So the distinction I’ve told in my previous post might be suggested by Kurumada himself.
I don’t know Japanese, so can’t say the Spanish translation could be correct or absolutely could’t. I’d like to know your opinion, now you know.
Thank you very much!
Yes I stated there are two guys in other forums Chronos God of Time, Titan God Cronos. Some people mistaken them to be one god and as you see in Ep. G, Megumu just made them one god. I can tell you their different myths of the two gods if you are interested.
Any way I can parse the original Japanese into English so you don't have doubts but people have the freedom to interpret the words they see fit.
"Ooinaru Toki no Kami Kuronosu" = "Great God of Time Chronos"
Again, the spelling is an issue fans like to debate is it "Chronos" or "Cronos"??? I choose Chronos.
"Chou Shinwa ni yoru to" = "According to the Hyper Myth" the Chou can be translated to "Super" I choose "Hyper" since Masami used the word in "Real Hypermyth"
"Uchuu tanjyou no hikigane to natta Biggu ban" = "The trigger of the birth of the universe, Big Bang"
"nanraka no katachi de kakawatteiru to iwarete iru no ga" = "said to be Involved in some way is"
"kono Kuronos de aru" = "this Chronos."
"Grisha shinwa de wa" = "In Greek Myths"
"Zeusu no chichi ni ataru kami ga" = "the God that is Zeus's father is"
"Kuronosu to sarete iru ga..." = "Chronos as is."
When I first translated I spelled the name "Cronos" but after reading ND, I changed it to "Chronos."
The biggest problem is that the Japanese Katakana doesn't specific the English spelling, as you see in the original Manga of Hades Chapter, the katakana for Cronos and Rhea are "Kuronosu" "Rea". And Megumu also uses the Katakana "Kuronosu". If Masami would provide English spelling, all these issues would clear up...
Yer, I agree. Though in defense of G. I think Megumu there is trying to play the secret card there. The 4 Mysterious Cloths are secrets amongst secrets so Saints would not tell secrets to his enemy.
In Italy many people even think EpG has invalidated Cosmo Special(retcon) and they just ignore Gigantomachia.
But I absolutely don’t agree. Ther’s a significant difference between who is talking in the two books.
In the Hypermyth the narrator is Kurmada himself, so we can’t doubt him. In EpisodeG it reflects only the opinion of a particular character, the titan Hyperion, who is not supposed to know the truth.
Actually the novel tells us very few people’re awared of the secret of these secret of mysterious clothes; so everything matches.
Typhon already knows Coma cloth because he challenged that saint in the past, the Titan don’t, so we may suppose special clothes didn’t show during Titanomachia
So at the end we can’t say EpG’s mistaken, Megumu get safe this time.
As far as I know (read in a Spanish site) in Galaxian Enciclopedy it isn’t written how many bronze there’re, that’s the important!
But I still think mr Okada’s never cared for reading Cosmo Special, anyway
P.S. Philip, were you suggesting Retsu’s cloth could be revealed a special one, like the Lynx cloth in the 3rd movie??? It’ll be a big surprise but I don’t believe too much. We’ll see...
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Yes I stated there are two guys in other forums Chronos God of Time, Titan God Cronos. Some people mistaken them to be one god and as you see in Ep. G, Megumu just made them one god. I can tell you their different myths of the two gods if you are interested.
Thanks, but I know it for a long time because of SailorMoon manga. There’s a discussion about too!
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Hope this is helpful.
as always I’ll remember to link this discussion the next time we’ll come back on this topic in the forum. Probably as soon as new ND chapters comes out…
BTW, Do you think Ecate’ll travel in time with Saori and Shun, becoming a new mascotte like Kiki, or just show where to find Chronos?
In the Hypermyth the narrator is Kurmada himself, so we can’t doubt him. In EpisodeG it reflects only the opinion of a particular character, the titan Hyperion, who is not supposed to know the truth.
Actually the novel tells us very few people’re awared of the secret of these secret of mysterious clothes; so everything matches.
Typhon already knows Coma cloth because he challenged that saint in the past, the Titan don’t, so we may suppose special clothes didn’t show during Titanomachia
So at the end we can’t say EpG’s mistaken, Megumu get safe this time.
Yer I totally agree. Tatsuya Hamazaki wrote the Gigantomachia novels based on researching Cosmo Special and Saint Seiya Encyclopedia(Taizen)...
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As far as I know (read in a Spanish site) in Galaxian Enciclopedy it isn’t written how many bronze there’re, that’s the important!
Yer, the original Japanese don't have the number either...
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P.S. Philip, were you suggesting Retsu’s cloth could be revealed a special one, like the Lynx cloth in the 3rd movie??? It’ll be a big surprise but I don’t believe too much. We’ll see...
In my opinion if there's a Special one, it has to be Carina. For Lynx though, I wouldn't be surprised if one day ND reveals it to be Dohko's old Bronze Cloth. The Lynx constellation sometimes are seen not as a lynx but a Tiger.
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Thanks, but I know it for a long time because of SailorMoon manga. There’s a discussion about too!
Yer! Sailormoon talks about the myth stuff as Seiya but while HK was showing Sailormoon I was in US. So, I missed out on the whole deal.
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BTW, Do you think Ecate’ll travel in time with Saori and Shun, becoming a new mascotte like Kiki, or just show where to find Chronos?
Well Athena time travel is definitely a story starter... We'll see what happens.
Yer! Sailormoon talks about the myth stuff as Seiya but while HK was showing Sailormoon I was in US. So, I missed out on the whole deal.
That's why your English is so fluent! Be patient with mine!
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Yer I totally agree. Tatsuya Hamazaki wrote the Gigantomachia novels based on researching Cosmo Special and Saint Seiya Encyclopedia(Taizen)...
It's my favourite spinoff, the most adherent to Kurumada's manga, imho.
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Yer, the original Japanese don't have the number either...
Thank you for telling me.
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In my opinion if there's a Special one, it has to be Carina.
Carina? Oh, Atlas was such a great character but I still have to understand why they choose that odd constellation for him.
I think there 're many others more interesting...
Especially Corona Australis 'd fit him perfectly: because of the name they've got, his kind of attack, and the fact Carina is the only one far from ecliptic (the line the Sun crosses), Lynx,Coma and, of course, the Gold Saints' are near it (that makes sense!), Corona Austr 'd be too!
Oh well! Anyway I agreed it'd be nice to see a Carina saint again, made official in Kurumada's manga. But imho it all depends if the idea of that constellation to the warriors of the movie was born from him or not. If so, there 're good chances, like Ghost Saints...
But if Kurumada let Toei's staff whatever they wanted, uhhh I'm not confident at all
Unfortunately few things 're really known about Masami's participation in that film. :
Well, Retsu looks like he'll have an important role in the story.
Because of the consistency of continuity he'd die before EpG ends, so we don't see after
If his cloth 'll have been revealed as special one, he could do more than as simple bronze saint (unless he's an uneualled one, like Seiya and the other)
Gigantomachia reveals Coma's secret power to seal a God. Is it the same for the other 3???
If it is, they'd be very useful in Tenkai chapter and the end of EpisodeG too
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For Lynx though, I wouldn't be surprised if one day ND reveals it to be Dohko's old Bronze Cloth. The Lynx constellation sometimes are seen not as a lynx but a Tiger.
Oh, nice! Up to now I've only heard about him the speculation of the ancient constellation of Felix(cat), invented by Lacaille but abandoned after.
Now I realized the Lynx could fit too
Honestly, since the very first time, I've always thought Dokho was the previuos bronze saint of the Dragon. It's the only choice that'd give sense mr Kurumada introduced Dokho as bronze saint in ND, imho.
: It's rather strange to see in the old manga a Libra saint using all Dragon techniques, and nothig more. Someone could think at least Rozan Hyaku-Ryuha is the proper attack of the gold saint, even if it look odd.
But ND has rejected this theory:immediately after receiving the gold cloth he performs Hyakuryuha, so we have to admit it's a bronze skill. He couldn't have learned istantly dressing the Libra cloth; remember Shion-sama 's answer in the last issue about Shun in Virgo's cloth.
I couldn't think a different saint with R Hyakuryuha than the Dragon...
What is amazing we'd make the same reasoning with Shion Stardust Revolution
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It's an attack of a bronze saint, whatever he was
And he taught it to Mu!!! I wonder if Seiya'd train the next gold saint of Sagittarius, he'd launch Ryuseiken (at light speed of course)
And we don't have to forget Seiya inherited it from Marin, a silver!
The connection between attacks and constellation in really unclear.
Anyway unless Shion'll show in ND, Starlight Extinction still remains an attack invented by Mu himself, so an Aries techniques.
And as for the Crystal Wall we'll see...
Have you ever thought that? What's your opinion?
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Well Athena time travel is definitely a story starter... We'll see what happens.
That's why your English is so fluent! Be patient with mine!
No problem. Please be patient with my misunderstandings and mistakes.
About my English, I already had good speaking skills in Hong Kong because I lived a few years in Australia. Going to US, actually helped my writing skills.
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Thank you for telling me.
No problem.
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Oh well! Anyway I agreed it'd be nice to see a Carina saint again, made official in Kurumada's manga. But imho it all depends if the idea of that constellation to the warriors of the movie was born from him or not. If so, there 're good chances, like Ghost Saints...
Yer I would love to see the Ghost Saints again...
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Well, Retsu looks like he'll have an important role in the story.
Because of the consistency of continuity he'd die before EpG ends, so we don't see after
We don't know if Retsu will die though...
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Gigantomachia reveals Coma's secret power to seal a God. Is it the same for the other 3???
There could be other secrets... One Cloth can have multiple powers.
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Honestly, since the very first time, I've always thought Dokho was the previuos bronze saint of the Dragon. It's the only choice that'd give sense mr Kurumada introduced Dokho as bronze saint in ND, imho.
: It's rather strange to see in the old manga a Libra saint using all Dragon techniques, and nothig more. Someone could think at least Rozan Hyaku-Ryuha is the proper attack of the gold saint, even if it look odd.
But ND has rejected this theory:immediately after receiving the gold cloth he performs Hyakuryuha, so we have to admit it's a bronze skill. He couldn't have learned istantly dressing the Libra cloth; remember Shion-sama 's answer in the last issue about Shun in Virgo's cloth.
I couldn't think a different saint with R Hyakuryuha than the Dragon...
Yer I mean Dohko could learn many skills before he got his Gold Cloth. And the Dragon skills could be his master who trained him in Gorouhou. Again we need ND to confirm all this...
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What is amazing we'd make the same reasoning with Shion Stardust Revolution
x3
It's an attack of a bronze saint, whatever he was
And he taught it to Mu!!! I wonder if Seiya'd train the next gold saint of Sagittarius, he'd launch Ryuseiken (at light speed of course)
And we don't have to forget Seiya inherited it from Marin, a silver!
The connection between attacks and constellation in really unclear.
Well the Cloth don't dictate what skills you use unless we are talking about Nebula Chains. The perfect example is Excalibur. It was passed on to Shiryu. So there could many different types of training for skills or transfer of skills...
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Anyway unless Shion'll show in ND, Starlight Extinction still remains an attack invented by Mu himself, so an Aries techniques.
And as for the Crystal Wall we'll see...
Yer from the very beginning I still think S. E. is Mu's only.
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I wonder if Seiya'd train the next gold saint of Sagittarius, he'd launch Ryuseiken (at light speed of course) 
The connection between attacks and constellation in really unclear. 
